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Jgor parašė 2008-03-28 15:00
Atsiprasau!

Can someone translate the problem in english? maybe i can solve it.

Mixed armour?
Necrontyr parašė 2008-03-28 15:09
Yep, a long and boring discussion about mixed armour rule. I even don't bother reading it all :).
Jgor parašė 2008-03-28 15:12
hahaha

Ok, but just to know where is the problem?
It's a hard rule sometimes, in my experience a lot of problem came from units "body guards" like tyrant guards and tau's shield drones.

Most of the time is about allocation of the wound, a little rule that most of the time is forgotten in the "just throw the dice" moments
Necrontyr parašė 2008-03-28 15:18
Well, as long as I haven't read this discussion I can't point out the problem. But my guess would be just as you said, forgetting about wound allocation. After wounds have been allocated everything clears out by itself :).

Maybe guys who where were talking here will point out the problem.
vytzka parašė 2008-03-28 15:43
Basically the question is whether Mixed Armor rules apply to invulnerable saves or not (I'm saying they don't, and Darkwind disagrees).
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Jgor parašė 2008-03-28 16:25
the rule book states that the "mixed armour rule" is applied only on ARMOUR SAVES, not coversaves/invulnerable savers simple

p.s. remember that the losses remotion(different thing) follows the rule that you have to remove those models that has the most "spread" armour save.

Little example:
black templars squad

5 Initiates (armour 3+)
3 Neophytes (armour 4+)

In a wood, so they have cover save.

a lascannon hits the squad and wound.
If you miss the cover save you'll have to remove a Initiate(AT 3+), because the initiates are in larger number then the neophytes, so the whole squad count as "armour 3+".
Redagavo Jgor 2008-03-28 16:33
Zestianssik parašė 2008-03-29 20:05
Drago_13 parašė:
Man kilo viena mintis:
Zmones, gal organizuojam kokia "Lietuvos WH40k taisykliu ekspertu sajunga" ?

Susirinksim kada nors, apzvelgsim gincitinus rulsis, ir isleisim komentaru straipsni, pagal kurios pvz. vyks visi D6 turnyrai...


Sajunga ne sajunga, bet kokia konferencija tikrai padaryt galima.
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Darkwind parašė 2008-03-31 05:24
So then i have 5 guys with armor save 5+ and 5 guys with save 4++(invulnerable) by mixed rules if i get 5 wounds from bolters with ap5 means i can allocate them to 4+ inv save guys and my 5+ guys stay alive then. (as invulnerable save does not count in imxed armor rule)
vytzka parašė 2008-03-31 05:56
Taip.
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Jgor parašė 2008-03-31 09:33
Darkwind parašė:
So then i have 5 guys with armor save 5+ and 5 guys with save 4++(invulnerable) by mixed rules if i get 5 wounds from bolters with ap5 means i can allocate them to 4+ inv save guys and my 5+ guys stay alive then. (as invulnerable save does not count in imxed armor rule)


No, not like that.

First of all, do they have all the same Armour save?(not inv/cover, i talk of armour)

secondly, if all of them are in a squad, for gaining the cover save they must be 50%+1 of the squad in cover.(in your case they must be 6 or more in cover, to gain the save).

In your case they are not, so if they took 5 shots of heavy bolter, 5 of them will die

If they were in cover, they all have the Inv.Save, so there are no problem. B)
vytzka parašė 2008-03-31 10:13
Jgor: I think he means that some troops have 5+ armor save and others have no armor save, only invulnerable, thus -/4+. I think this example is correct, because mixed armor rules don't apply to invulnerable saves, only armor. Thus wounds are allocated to "-" armor type first (because it's a tie and worse than the other one), therefore they get the invulnerable saves.
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Drakar parašė 2008-04-01 09:48
Jgor parašė:
Atsiprasau!
Can someone translate the problem in english? maybe i can solve it.
Mixed armour?


problem: p. 25 "Sometimes a unit will contain models with a mix of of different Armour Saves and Invulnerable Saves. This complex situation is explained on page 76."

so darkwind try to use mix armor rule (in p 76) for invulnerable saves.
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Svetimas Vaikas parašė 2008-04-01 09:53
Nesupykit, bet ar neatrodo keista, kad atejus vienam uzsienieciui mes pamirstam savo kalba ir pradedam visi angliskai rasyt???O_o Mano nuomone jis nori isilieti i Lietuviu foruma tegul sneka Lietuviskai.
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Zestianssik parašė 2008-04-01 10:47
Man atrodo, taisyklese nera parasyta kad galim naudot tik viena kalba.

Nu, o jei kas tesiog nesupranta angliskai, galima tesiog rasyt postus abiem. Kaip daro pvz, fantastika.lt forume.
Redagavo Zestianssik 2008-04-01 10:50
vytzka parašė 2008-04-01 10:58
Jo, as siaip nematau problemos del dvikalbystes, bet jeigu kazkam trukdo (ar apskritai tvarkos norisi) galima sukurti adminams oficialias taisykles.
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danis2005 parašė 2008-04-01 15:42
Ash visur rashau su anglishkais terminais (kalbu taippat), taigi ir kokio sakinio susukt nebijau .Ir sheip, it's a good practice to tipe english
Saulius parašė 2008-04-01 15:46
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Nomad parašė 2008-04-01 16:38
Svetimas Vaikas parašė:
Nesupykit, bet ar neatrodo keista, kad atejus vienam uzsienieciui mes pamirstam savo kalba ir pradedam visi angliskai rasyt???O_o Mano nuomone jis nori isilieti i Lietuviu foruma tegul sneka Lietuviskai.


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XXIcentury parašė 2008-04-01 18:12
ontopic'inam gal? ;p

Aš skaitau apie kill teamus* ir priskaičiau jog vienas iš sunkiai pažeidžiamų "immutable laws" yra "8.Bikes and jetbikes of any kind may not be chosen, nor may anti-grav weapon platforms"

ar Wraith pažaidinėja šitą taisyklę? Jie nėra bikes ar jetbikes, jie tik "counts as jetbike for movement purposes", ar ne?

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*ketvirtadieni būsiu d6, reiks pašnekėt su žmonėm apie tokio dalyko sužaidimo kurį kartą galimybes

[small]I'm reading on kill-teams*, and have found that one of the immutable laws is "8.Bikes and jetbikes of any kind may not be chosen, nor may anti-grav weapon platforms". And I have wondered if the Wraiths fall into this rule - they are not bikes of any kind, they just "count as jetbike for movement purposes", are they?

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*On thursday i'm going to be in d6 (:)) so I'll try to find somebody to take the kill-team play(s) in the future into consideration[/small]
Redagavo XXIcentury 2008-04-01 18:32
Nomad parašė 2008-04-01 18:46
Tai ketvirtadienį vakare galim ir sužaisti kill team'ą. Nors 10 guardsmenų su maikėm ir prožektoriais sunkiai pavadinčiau kill team'u, labiau suicide team...
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